I am not sure what the for sure time will be all I know that the Christmas card workshop will be in the morning. Make sure you sign up by the 17th is the last day you can sign up and pay for half of the class. I can quit figure out how to put pic.on here yet so if you want to see the card just let me know. I will just txt them to you. I will be way fun the rest of the details will be here on Wed. 11-12-08.